Earning supplemental income: Part 2 – Ideas and brainstorming

Posted on 05. Feb, 2009 by in Expat Experiences, Photography, Rantings and Ramblings

1247583481 37f5150eaf m Earning supplemental income: Part 2   Ideas and brainstormingThis is the second part of a series I’m devoting toward making supplemental income. Consider it a glimpse into my own experimentation. If I crash and burn, you’ll get a front row seat.

After posing the question I received an abundance of helpful and interesting responses. The majority of which were centered around photography. A list of suggestions (in the order they were posted):

  • Wedding photography
  • Side business from passions
  • iPhone app creation
  • Publish a photo book
  • Indonesian stock market
  • Photography courses
  • Online business
  • Seek ways of saving instead of earning

These are great ideas, and many will fit together to formulate a more complete project. Note: iPhone app design would be awesome, and I’m not counting it out yet, but it’s simply not my strong-point. If we further refine these suggestions, we’ll be left with three broader concepts:

  • Photography related
  • Online business
  • Stocks / investments

While finding ways to save money is a vital component to advancing your financial health, I see it on a similar plane as dieting without exercise. Both are required for more effective, long-lasting results.

  1. Photography related: It’s quite obvious that I have a strong passion for photography. While I realize I have such a tremendous amount to learn still, it’s something that I never tire of. This is critical in my mind. There are many routes this could take.
  2. Online business: I’m a tech guy. I know my way in and out of many applications and can navigate the web with ease. I enjoy digging into new social media, teaching myself new applications, and geeking out with podcasts and tutorials. I’m not an expert in any one area, but am proficient in many. I’ll digest this one more below.
  3. Stocks / investments: This ties in with savings – it’s often a necessary part of financial health to find some way to invest. I have traded stocks in the past and done quite well. I’ve also lost my ass playing the stock market. To be truly confident in stocks again, I think I’d require full energy devoted solely to the research and constant flow of information that is needed to succeed (and luck). However, I’m willing to seek out more assistance and perhaps take it slow (i.e. not go crazy with individual tech stocks). I am somewhat limited by living in Indonesia in terms of investments, but am curious what is possible.

To reiterate on my stronger points, I’m left with two areas of focus: photography and the internet. Let’s dissect these focus areas into the various options. Feel free to suggest more. I’m also going to add to these with my own ideas.

Photography:

  • Publish a photography book
  • Stock photography
  • Print sales
  • Portrait photography
  • Modeling agency
  • Wedding / pre-wedding photography
  • Photography courses / teaching

Internet:

  • Blogging for profit (not this blog): photography related, camera gear, tech, Indonesia, etc
  • Online business: ?

John brought up an important point in the comments from the previous post: “ideas are abundant, anyone can come up with ideas to make money. execution and sales are the hard slogging part… it doesn’t really matter how good a photographer u are if you do not work hard at selling your work.”

This is where the fun begins – pushing photography to the next level without selling my soul. As I stir these ideas around my mind, feel free to contribute any more, offering advice or experiences you’ve had with any aspects of these points. Have you created such a business? Have you submitted work to stock agencies? Have you tried publishing a book? I (and others) would love to learn from your experiences.

To be continued…

Part 1 of this series is located here.

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  • http://deancirelli.com dean

    based on my previous request concerning the use of your images in power point type presentations (specifically in a church setting), my vote is going to lean toward stock photography. i know there's lots out there to choose from already, but your images are so compelling and breathtaking, i believe you could get a pretty generous share of the proverbial pie.

    a coffee table book would be an attractive idea as well. i have no experience in either area, but as a potential consumer, i know i'd buy 'em!

  • http://deancirelli.com dean

    based on my previous request concerning the use of your images in power point type presentations (specifically in a church setting), my vote is going to lean toward stock photography. i know there's lots out there to choose from already, but your images are so compelling and breathtaking, i believe you could get a pretty generous share of the proverbial pie.

    a coffee table book would be an attractive idea as well. i have no experience in either area, but as a potential consumer, i know i'd buy 'em!

    • javajive

      Whether I pursue other areas or not, the stock thing may be a part of what I do. I have 50,000 photos on various hard drives – 99.99% of which have never been seen, used, or posted anywhere. Maybe it's time to put some of them to use.

      • http://deancirelli.com dean

        50,000?? whoa, you've been busy! how many cameras have you gone through to accumulate that kind of inventory? i have a couple of photog friends here in the states that are always talking about “shutter life” and i get the impression from them that they don't get anything like 50,000 shots, much less 50,000 usale shots, out of a camera. i know you have at least 2 rigs currently, just based on things you've written here, but i was just wondering how many you've gone through?

        • http://deancirelli.com dean

          ummm… that should have been “USABLE” shots!

        • javajive

          Actually, 50,000 isn't a terribly large amount, considering I've been actively taking digital photos since 2002 (much more since 2004). Since that time I've owned the:

          Canon 5D Mk II *
          Canon 5D *
          Canon 40D *
          Canon 350D
          Canon 300D
          Canon G7 *
          Canon S2
          Canon S40 *

          * = still own

          The majority of my photos have been taken with the Canon 5D, 40D, 350, and 300. But even so, that's only around 6,000 photos per camera, which is quite light use.

          Many pros have cameras that have taken over 100-150,000 photos. My Canon 5D Mk II is rated at 150,000 photos so I think I'll be ok. :)

          I also treat my equipment very very carefully (many would say obsessive about care ;) )

          I have these stored on about 3.5TB of hard drives at the moment and badly need more space!

          Hope this answers your question.

  • javajive

    Whether I pursue other areas or not, the stock thing may be a part of what I do. I have 50,000 photos on various hard drives – 99.99% of which have never been seen, used, or posted anywhere. Maybe it's time to put some of them to use.

  • http://deancirelli.com dean

    50,000?? whoa, you've been busy! how many cameras have you gone through to accumulate that kind of inventory? i have a couple of photog friends here in the states that are always talking about “shutter life” and i get the impression from them that they don't get anything like 50,000 shots, much less 50,000 usale shots, out of a camera. i know you have at least 2 rigs currently, just based on things you've written here, but i was just wondering how many you've gone through?

  • http://deancirelli.com dean

    ummm… that should have been “USABLE” shots!

  • javajive

    Actually, 50,000 isn't a terribly large amount, considering I've been actively taking digital photos since 2002 (much more since 2004). Since that time I've owned the:

    Canon 5D Mk II *
    Canon 5D *
    Canon 40D *
    Canon 350D
    Canon 300D
    Canon G7 *
    Canon S2
    Canon S40 *

    * = still own

    The majority of my photos have been taken with the Canon 5D, 40D, 350, and 300. But even so, that's only around 6,000 photos per camera, which is quite light use.

    Many pros have cameras that have taken over 100-150,000 photos. My Canon 5D Mk II is rated at 150,000 photos so I think I'll be ok. :)

    I also treat my equipment very very carefully (many would say obsessive about care ;) )

    I have these stored on about 3.5TB of hard drives at the moment and badly need more space!

    Hope this answers your question.

  • havoc

    wahahshahas….u idiotcracy continue, my suggestion simple if u want to earning in indo, orang bule, ikutan casting sinetron aje hahahaha. teaching ? books? photo/pornogrpahy will fail…they will say, uhh mahal, bayar pake dollar, males ah…improve your bahasa first, before u can face the customer or u better go back to your motherland…washing car or do restoran job. hahahahha

  • havoc

    wahahshahas….u idiotcracy continue, my suggestion simple if u want to earning in indo, orang bule, ikutan casting sinetron aje hahahaha. teaching ? books? photo/pornogrpahy will fail…they will say, uhh mahal, bayar pake dollar, males ah…improve your bahasa first, before u can face the customer or u better go back to your motherland…washing car or do restoran job. hahahahha

    • javajive

      “Havoc”: This is the second negative comment you've posted on my blog. If you don't enjoy my photos or writing feel free to visit any of the other expat blogs; perhaps they'd entertain a debate with you. I have neither the time nor patience to do so. Good luck with that.

    • http://numerotoo.wordpress.com sid

      geez you are a disgrace to our country havoc.

    • feli

      hey brandon, is “idiotcracy” even a word?
      i don't usually make fun of people's english, but i'll make an exception this time. you and your english is just simply hillarious, havoc… :-D

      • javajive

        I don't usually make fun of people's English either, but I find it amusing that they said, “improve your bahasa first”.

  • javajive

    “Havoc”: This is the second negative comment you've posted on my blog. If you don't enjoy my photos or writing feel free to visit any of the other expat blogs; perhaps they'd entertain a debate with you. I have neither the time nor patience to do so. Good luck with that.

  • http://numerotoo.wordpress.com sid

    geez you are a disgrace to our country havoc.

  • jerm

    think about it, have you ever heard of a “best writing author”?! i haven't. they're all “best selling author”'s — so yeah i'm with john on this one, you got the talents all right, we (your friends) know that, but does the world? you gotta put yourself out there. but don't ask me how, i'm still struggling to put myself out there too. lol.

  • jerm

    think about it, have you ever heard of a “best writing author”?! i haven't. they're all “best selling author”'s — so yeah i'm with john on this one, you got the talents all right, we (your friends) know that, but does the world? you gotta put yourself out there. but don't ask me how, i'm still struggling to put myself out there too. lol.

    • javajive

      Well put, Jerm.

  • feli

    hey brandon, is “idiotcracy” even a word?
    i don't usually make fun of people's english, but i'll make an exception this time. you and your english is just simply hillarious, havoc… :-D

  • feli

    a good friend of mine is getting married in december (singapore/ solo). you take fantabulous artistic photos, but wasn't sure if you do weddings.

  • feli

    a good friend of mine is getting married in december (singapore/ solo). you take fantabulous artistic photos, but wasn't sure if you do weddings.

    • javajive

      They can certainly contact me and I'd consider it. I'll be focusing more on portraiture this year, so perhaps they can get a glimpse into my style beforehand.

  • javajive

    I don't usually make fun of people's English either, but I find it amusing that they said, “improve your bahasa first”.

  • javajive

    Well put, Jerm.

  • javajive

    They can certainly contact me and I'd consider it. I'll be focusing more on portraiture this year, so perhaps they can get a glimpse into my style beforehand.

  • havoc

    quite intresting isnt it my comment ? rather than all your boring friend's fake comment
    first of all, i dont wanna debate since im not politikus, next time you post something, put “stupid/funny/negative comments are not acceptable because im so touchy boy”

    @KID : nice boy….dont play rock n roll !! axl said
    @Feli : i no speak english! i speak betawi instead =P~~

  • havoc

    quite intresting isnt it my comment ? rather than all your boring friend's fake comment
    first of all, i dont wanna debate since im not politikus, next time you post something, put “stupid/funny/negative comments are not acceptable because im so touchy boy”

    @KID : nice boy….dont play rock n roll !! axl said
    @Feli : i no speak english! i speak betawi instead =P~~

  • http://deancirelli.com dean

    Brandon…

    Yes, that does indeed answer my questions! Sorry it took me so long to get back here and catch up on the thread. I really had no idea that you'd owned so many cameras, and certainly had no idea that one could bet over 100,000 photos out of one camera!

    Hate that about Havoc here. Non-constructive criticism is such a drag. Guess he's just living up to his name :-)

  • http://deancirelli.com dean

    Brandon…

    Yes, that does indeed answer my questions! Sorry it took me so long to get back here and catch up on the thread. I really had no idea that you'd owned so many cameras, and certainly had no idea that one could bet over 100,000 photos out of one camera!

    Hate that about Havoc here. Non-constructive criticism is such a drag. Guess he's just living up to his name :-)

    • http://deancirelli.com dean

      *sigh*… “that one could GET over 100,000 photos…”

      I should probably start commenting a lot earlier in the day when I'm more awake…

  • http://deancirelli.com dean

    *sigh*… “that one could GET over 100,000 photos…”

    I should probably start commenting a lot earlier in the day when I'm more awake…

  • http://indahs.zenfolio.com/ indahs

    Hi there,
    My experience with stock agencies was not really good. However you took more pictures more than I did, so I think you will have better opportunities. Additionally, stock agencies always ask for model release as you submit pics on people with their activities. Furthermore, so far I am aware of, popular pics in stock agencies usually vectors, BG pictures and pics with people's activities.
    One of my close friends who works in academic institution has a side job as concert photographer during weekend. It only take 2 or 3 hours work but then she got access to assigned concert – http://www.greenpixels.nl/. She also get her works published and exhibited in the Netherlands. That's what I call passion & be focus!
    Good luck in finding the right track..

  • http://indahs.zenfolio.com/ indahs

    Hi there,
    My experience with stock agencies was not really good. However you took more pictures more than I did, so I think you will have better opportunities. Additionally, stock agencies always ask for model release as you submit pics on people with their activities. Furthermore, so far I am aware of, popular pics in stock agencies usually vectors, BG pictures and pics with people's activities.
    One of my close friends who works in academic institution has a side job as concert photographer during weekend. It only take 2 or 3 hours work but then she got access to assigned concert – http://www.greenpixels.nl/. She also get her works published and exhibited in the Netherlands. That's what I call passion & be focus!
    Good luck in finding the right track..

  • http://lucky7seas.wordpress.com/ Allison

    I'm testing similar waters, trying to figure out how to turn my passions into my daily work, photography being at the top of the list of “things I'd rather be doing”.

    That said – I have to agree with previous comments that so many of your images are suited to stock photography – you capture very rich and compelling imagery, which translates to being very commercial. However, I currently work in stock footage licensing, and I have to say, in terms of income from stock media, rights-managed licensing seems to hold more financial opportunities. If you simply submit your photos to a stock photo house that does not negotiate license rates with advertisers and other big-budget clients, you may find that the money you receive for your images does not really equal the extent of their use. This is what has kept me from moving my photo library into stock photo services.

    Due to the quality of your content, I think it would not be unreasonable for you to aim high – see how your work suits the libraries of the big commercially oriented stock photo houses (Corbis, Getty etc.) – you may be able to have larger royalties negotiated for you through these avenues.

    I know of several highly successful wedding photographers in my region, which also happens to be a destination-wedding magnet, and I have worked a few weddings myself. Because of my relationship with photography, the stressful, expectation-laden wedding market is not for me in the long run. I have spoken with several photographers whose love of the craft used to find other outlets and subjects, but their businesses have become so reliant on the wedding-photo income, they no longer get to shoot what they love.

    Personally, I am trying to ease into the income-from-photography pool, by selling “fine art” prints online and locally. I would like to find an avenue into more commercial work, but without a studio space, it's not yet feasible.

    That's my two+ cents – I'll certainly be back to see what sort of information and advice you may gather here!

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