Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
~ Ansel Adam? ~

“The only lasting beauty is the beauty of the heart.”
~ Rumi ~

all woman is pretty…
the statement is not exaclty right….(I think) coz.. many Indonesian Actress married with “white bule”

that depends on what kind of westerners. be honest javajive, you wont pick up ur housemaid anyway… if so, you will dress her up for improvement…

But, i’m sure that u’ll be happy when hang out with Anggun, and prefer to reject any sexual contact with the sister of Mandra, Omas… LoL

Seriously, if bules wanna marry their maids, I think it’s great! (hopefully) it will improve the maids’ social economic status and probably improve the chance of better education of their children. Well, that’s if the bule doesn’t run off to his home country after the expatriation period ended, leaving the wife & kids stranded here.

Anyway, agree about beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don’t really associate beauty with the color of the skin though, the issue lies on bone structures.

And yes, depends on the bules, too. If they’re some kind of expats making some ridiculously huge salary, most of them ended up with Indonesian celebrities or models or actresses or socialites or whatever they are.

Hi guys!

I don’t know if you have read the comments on this article on Thang’s blog, but here are two:

baby said…
Mr.Thang, each woman even maid they have they own pretty and dont said that maid is meaning ugly. Please think twice before you put this article.
Don’t forget God create all the human, dont jugde “maid; dark skin; buck teeth; etc.” is meaning bad; maybe they are more good, better than you to apreciate another human being. (Who knows !!!!)
So no mistake with “white bule” and “dark Indonesian”… because it is good combination..for human.

Indi said…
i need to add:

“beauty is in the eyes of beerholder”

PS: talking about Indonesian peasants: you should check out their toes. due to centuries of working in ricefield barefooted, they have developed interesting looking toes: they are spread wider than yours and able to grip better in the deep mud than yours can! if you don’t believe me, try to walk barefooted on the banks of ricefields and I guarantee you will slip and fall. Them locals have physiologically adapted themselves into the situation by having customized toes.

check ‘em out!

And Thang responded:

Baby -

English is obviously a problem for you. If you have time and want to write or speak better English, I’d suggest that you take an English as a second language (ESL) course. I’m not sure what the market rate these days, but a friend of mine is an English teacher, and she has told me that some students of her are maids who work for bule bosses. Like them, I’m sure you can afford it.

In any case, with regard to your comment, I think you have missed the thesis (main point) of my article. I did not say that having buck teeth, a dark complexion, or a high forehead is a bad thing.

Rather, I said that, contrary to what most Asian men think, Western men find these features to be “exotic” and beautiful, and it is totally OK.

I am the one who is being fair here by showing the diverse (different) views of beauty. In fact, de facto, I was defending western men’s right to liking dark-skinned Indonesian women with hard-on-the-eyes features.

Here is the direct link to these comments:

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12524668&postID=115984602418128106

Enjoy aja!

I was talking about this to a friend of mine just recently… asking her why she thinks bule guys prefer the “pembantu” type, and instead of answering the question, she said if the pair had a child, the child would be genetically good-looking. Think of Tamara Blezynski(sp?) and Nadya Hutagalung, who are both physically beautiful.

Reaction such as this is nothing new. Oh, and it could be envy, since, as well all know, many local women here still think highly of western men and prefer them to local men, and the insult just proves their inability to get bule guys for themselves. Racist? Nahhh… it’s just a pride issue. Besides, it’s very Indonesian to be proud. (Oops.)

My opinion as Indonesian woman would be..

Nobody’s perfect that ppl always seek for better look over and over again. Dark skin is usually related to healthy skin, whereas fair skin is not. Yes according to science research, dark skin has lots of melanin to neutralize UV from the sunlight. No wonder fair-skin ladies are eager to get tanned. LOL. Maybe western guys love the healthy one. It’s okay. I’m cool with that.

As for me, I have yellow skin. *phew* not so bad, isn’t it? And I love white guys LOL!

Well, rumor said that I am part Indonesian. And maybe I look like a maid too. But if my man treat me like a princess and not a maid. I would be careless what people said.

The two men that are talking about what women are attractive both need to go otu with a sexy maid and stop being fuckheads.They are both disriminating against these lower class Indonesian girls.They both probably fuck prostitutes anyway.What fuckheads just the way they talk you can tell they are dickheads

Indonesian women are ugly. I think that it might be the only nation on the planet that hasnt been gifted with it’s share of beautiful women. It’s a rare thing to see a pretty indonesian woman. So sad.

Quang, you cant say that as you have obviously NOT met my girlfriend Amanda. She is Indonesian and amazingly beautiful, and it is not only me that thinks this, many people have commented on this. (is not a maid or mail order! she was adopted and has lived in the UK since she was a small child) I think that you are very shallow minded to generalise like this.

Quang, If you truly hold that very bleak attitude so dear then i would pose one simple question to you. Why are you posting on this forum in the first place? Should you not be galavanting around the clubs of some metro area in the states instead? It seems you would be more likely to find what you are looking for their. some close minded, shallow, blonde airhead.

Western Men, Indonesian Women..

A friend of yours think so???
Depends on his perspective..
And also depends on d actor and d actress perspective..

Would be unattractive if they go out or marry for a fake reason…fancy…material or so…:)
But would be a precious moment if it is pure for love and desire to share the togetherness forever and ever…

It is too general, isnt it??
But what else?? That is it…
We can not refuse to say no…
but when love speaks…no matter love of $$ or love of love???..it could happen anywhere…anytime…not only in Indo…but also in Thai…Malay…Vietnam….mostly Philippine….!!!!

Watch outttttttttttt….
When love speaks…possibility would build its kingdom…:)

cheerssss
A-mild…enjoy aja lagiii..hehehe…
Frida

Here’s a link to America’s Next Top Model Website in case you guys were curious..

http://www.cwtv.com/page/model3.html

hi Brandon …. I found your site on net ….. I love your picture n I love your story.
I was born n raisen in Bandung , but since a couple years I’m living in Holland.
Beauty in asian eyes n bule eyes is not the same , white = beauty for asian people , stupid attitude , but you can’t deny it if you are born n raisen in asia.
Not only the color of your skin is important but your job is important too , not everyone will marry your own maid there but here …. is not really important it’s just a job.
You can find huge indonesian peoples here , I guess Indonesian peoples here judging their own peoples more then the bule , they are still having the same attitude just like in Indonesia, some ras found themself higher then the other ras.
For exam : Indonesian Chinese preffer to have Chinese or bule for their partner.
Their attitude is really anoying …… deuh ….. we are not living in asia anymore.
Some Indonesian peoples here are whorse …. they are really proud if their partner is an bule ….. come on …. not all bule that’s cute …. çouse if you living here for so long like I do you can see which one is cute bule and which one is geek bule …. :p

But like I said if you are born n raisen in asia you can deny it , My dad is chinese n my mom is dutch , Since I was in Indonesia I always see all the peoples is the same , no one better then the other no ras is beter then the other , I still have the same attitude , there are cute bule but you can find ugly bule too , there are cute asian with dark skin but there are the ugly one too.
I don’t choose my friends from their ras , color , job or whatever , but I preffer to have chinese guy for my partner I don’t know why …. maybe beacuse of my dad , I never like bule , I always find their skin are not really romantic with their hard white hair on their skin , in my eyes is just like ‘kulit babi’ …. ups not really openmind but that’s what in my mind …. bule for me is much better in movie then in real life.

I guess everyone have their own definition about what beauty mean ….. but it’s ok …. couse everyone have right to do that.

I read some of your blog [I want read more if I have more time] n I see all your picture …. you n your muse is a perfect couple both of you are cute :p …. enjoy each other n don’t bother to hear stupid attitude from stupid peoples.

Don’t you guys have anything better to do? Crazy bules!! LOL
Btw i am a product of an Indonesian American mix marriage and I am good looking. Hahahaha.

Well, I am not sure what to say to these messages. I have returned back home from visiting Java in March-April this year….. As for the whole “looks” thing? I dunno, I am engaged to an Indonesian woman who isn’t bucktoothed, her skin is more yellow than coffee, but only because she makes a point of avoiding the sun. But she is the sweetest , most nurturing woman I have ever met. I tell her not to worry about her skin getting darker in the sun when we go out, but it has been a long battle to convince her that her more normal colour is beautiful. I would watch tv with her and snort when they would portray someone like Nicole Kidman as being gorgeous….. I would tell her that she wouldn’t get a second glance from me…. Now Halle Berry, Or Salma Hayek, or Zhang Ziyi …!!! Eventually, she seemed to understand that the whole bit of stereo-typing what is beautiful just doesn’t work. It all comes to personal tastes, and she is my favourite flavour. I tend to like a little more coffee in my woman’s color than others and maybe even less than some others. Now if I can just figure out how to deal with the Indonesian laws concerning foreigners, christian / muslim marriages, and all the rest of red tape that should really be changed to make it easier for people to be together…..

My work sent me to the Nth west of Java, Indonesia, for 2 months. I found the Indonesian women lovely in both physical beauty and personality. Dark skin, light skin, who cares? In fact, I found the heavy tanned look hot.
To say the girls from the outer villages are ugly and have buck teeth or high foreheads is ridiculous. Many “western” men find both these features cute, so its true what they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

An addendum to my post and to that blog that appeared in certain Indonesian bloggersphere. The modern A typical Indonesian woman doesn’t like western men they are generally lazy and see bule men their pass of escape to a modern life and to achieve affluence that they think western culture will give them and also to do way better than their family. But the most important thing is to escape the misery, heat and pollution that is Indonesia! So they think! They don’t realise that when they come to the west they have to work 1000% harder then what they ever did in Indonesia!

Being white i love brown skin, brown skinned people seem to want to have whiter skin. (I seen the products in the stores) I think Indonesian brown skinned women are beautiful. giddiup it doesn’t get any better

I just hope Quang read this one.
Quang, I think you’re a loser and that’s why no Indonesian girl ever like you and that really hurt your pride. That’s why you said that horrible thing about Indonesian girl. Well, get it over with already!!! Nobody wants an a**hole and you know that. Straighten up your attitude and maybe there’s a girl who would feel sorry for your sorry ass.

Dear Rhea, I can give you a million reasons. But, the reasons can vary from one person to the next. The most common theory is that Indonesian women and Asian women in general tend to be more on the submissive side, sweet, caring, and respectful. Some men dig the unknown and the exotic while others just want a mail order wife. I also feel that the American men (not all but most) have been rejected far too many times by American girls; only to be glorified like a god by women in a foreign country. This can apply to other countries in Asia and Latin America as well. As far as the beautiful thing goes, I think there are plenty of gorgeous women here in the United States. However, those gorgeous women are probably the ones who rejected those American guys who fled to Indonesia or Asia to find a wife. Not to be a snob but I’m one of those pretty rejecters. I had an American boyfriend too and totally dumped him so evilly. I saw him 6 months later with a mediocre looking Korean girl. The strong irony in this, is that I too am now married to an Asian (Indonesian).

Like I said there are a million reasons for your boyfriend’s actions. Maybe his reasons aren’t what I just listed and could be far more complicated than that. You can find those traits in an American girl too, you just have to look! A good example would be me… LOL Maybe I’m the exception to the rule but I come from an American family of strong values. I learned Bahasa, I cook Indonesian food, & according to my hubby I sometimes act more Indonesian than his friends. So I think that I’m not the only one out there like that. There are people like me you just have to find them. My husband also has had a bad experience with Indonesian girls; but that’s not to say they are all the same. His experience and indignation was that all the Indonesian girls he dated were spoiled, rich little daddy’s girls who couldn’t even find their way out of a paper bag. However, I wouldn’t be quick to judge all Indonesian women because those “rich daddies” girls don’t represent Indonesian women and Indonesia as a culture.

Nonetheless, please don’t feel it’s your fault I’m sure what he failed to appreciate in you, someone else will love. My husband is a good example of that, he appreciates a lot of things in me that other Indonesian men would despise and vice versa; many Asian women traits that are considered attractive to some American men might seem appalling to other American and Indonesian men.
For example, my American co-worker has the impression that Indonesian women are like slaves to their husbands and don’t have a mind of their own. Which is not true because I’m friends with an Indonesian couple and as far as I can see, the wife wears the pants in the family. Lol

Okay I’ll stop now, my post is getting too long and I’m only going to piss off the owner of this blog who happens to be a very attractive American guy married to gorgeous Indonesian women. A match made in heaven. lol

I can’t stand old, white, perverted men who go to Indonesia and other parts of Asia to find an Asian girl or girls to be with. The idea of “me luv you long time, mister” somewhat disgusts me.
Well, I do, however, occassionally say it as a joke.

I mean, I understand everyone has needs. And especially sexual needs. Therefore, anyone has the right to fulfil such necessity, regardless of whatever race.

But that friend of yours, Thang f*cking Nguyen should repricocate the idea…

The Indonesian women don’t look like maids.
The old, bald, unattractive white men look like disgusting, perverted pimps.

AND F*CKING TELL HIM…
INDONESIAN GUYS ARE UGLY!

For your information, Thang, I am financially independent, educated, classy, and fabolous.
And I am Indonesian.

Go suck a motherf*cking tiny Asian d*ck, you blind a$$hole.

(From Brandon: I edited some of the language slightly. )

I think we shouldn’t “attack” Thang Nguyen like that. I mean he only brought up something that many of us have been questioning every time we see a bule with a girl described by his friend. I mean everybody can have an opinion and it’s out of ignorance and sometimes the society that they say things like that (women with dark hair, buck teeth, high forehead, etc are ugly). Indonesian guys aren’t ugly, just shallow, like most of the people

Dear Nez,
I wasn’t talking about the language. I was talking about the fact that it was Thang Nguyen’s Indonesian friend -not Thang- who said that expats often like ugly women. That’s why I said Indo guys are shallow, at least, most of them.

P.S: I have nothing against self expression (like swearing). It’s fun to do every once in a while :p

Every country has “beautiful” and “ugly” women.
Indonesian is no exception; of course there are stand-outs on both side of the spectrum but for the most part, from what Ive seen, Indonesian women are very beautiful.

I don’t think it is wise to judge or perhaps stereotype a whole person by her/his looks. Besides, how can you judge a person with “a fair-skinned one, who has the look of a financially independent, educated, and classy lady” must be a beautiful person inside? *(btw, how do you define educated by the looks? glasses? hehehehe)*

Seeing is believing, but sometimes the most real things in the world are the things we can’t see (The Polar Express).

(as written in my blog)

I think if you look thoroughly and patiently, beauty is apparent anywhere, in anyone, no matter what race and nationality, what skin or eye color.

Unfortunately, the media has bombarded us with the insane and out-of-this-world idea and standard of beauty. The perpetual size “0″, big breasts, straight hair, long legs, tiny waists, light skin. The truth of the matter is, women with all those qualities are the very tiny minuscule minority.

My idea of beauty is a laughing little girl, a smiling mother and her baby, a content mature woman who accepts who she is.

Self acceptance and love is the ultimate idea and basis of beauty. And brains. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, it is not skindeep, and it glows from within. When you feel beautiful, you will appear beautiful.

I truly believe in that.

I was just thinking.

Some of the guys might be offended by this one, but you know what? I now know why Indonesian guys are so shallow.. You have a wealth of pretty girls there; I mean the ratio to pretty girls to guys is high. What I mean by that is, is that there are plenty of pretty women to go around as opposed to handsome guys.. I noticed this by looking at all of my hubby’s friends on Facebook. These guys are like butt ugly and have all these gorgeous girls. I ask my hubby what is the deal with that? He agrees and states that it’s usually because they have the “dough” to get these pretty girls.

Just a little observation.. It just seems like Indonesian girls are a little more forgiving when it comes to looks, while Indonesian guys are a little on the shallow side.. At least all the Indonesian guys I’ve known so far at least.
Okay here’s another example: one of my hubby’s friend is short dark and ugly! Not that the dark part matters but he’s ugly otherwise.
He dates all these tall fair skinned Indonesian girls and that is all he usually prefers. It just perplexes me because he’s dark himself but is so shallow that he would never date a dark girl?

Case and point Indonesian guys are hypocrites. Yep sorry..

Okay here’s another example of Indonesian “shallow-ness.”

My mother and sister and in-law like to make fun of people in the mall that look like “so called maids”. Funny thing is my sister- in- law is just as dark as those people she is making fun of. So the whole thing doesn’t make sense. It’s as if though: If you are not carrying a Louis Vuitton bag or have on $500 shoes you’re automatically a “beneath” them or what not.

In my honest opinion people of all colors are pretty, I just wish folks wouldn’t be so superficial and hypocritical..

Okay done venting..

I’ve heard this “maid” tag in the Philippines too.
People would say, “Muka siyang katulong”… basically, she looks like a helper… or literally, her face is like a helper’s.

Similarly, western foreigners are often associated with the darker, shorter women.

These couples are usually further stigmatized by the assumption of the woman being a prostitute.

My wife is Javanese and I am Filipino-American. We easily can pass for both, until you hear our accents.

Physical beauty is a deep skin. After you interact with each other either in marriage or merely living together for years then you will go deeper into the inner beauty. You will hardly see the physical beauty anymore after years pass by with her.

Regardless your woman will still have a stunning exotic looking at her 50, and lacking of such inner beauty, and yet there is no way out, unless you get divorced or going through dramas with her. That means, everybody learns their own lessons, and there will be always another guy who bites the bait. This is life!

Since discussion like this always ends up with a bunch of Indonesian women ACCUSING Indonesian men (like that SLUT Nez For example), I will try to balance it into another perspective…

Is this story familiar to you ?

Jack is a bald, fat, ugly, alcoholic, loser bule man and he is constantly rejected by the women in his country. In Indonesia, he is surrounded, approached and adored by many girls….

I know that this is not politically correct but since someone started it I will say that most Indonesian women are materialistic, hypocrite, spoiled, not independent, demanding, unfaithful and one of the CHEAPEST IN THE WORLD. There you go…

Why can I say that ?? because I am an adventurer (penjahat kelamin if you will) myself and I have hunted and compared many different girls in the world. I have been with Western (American, British, French, Spanish, Dutch, Hungarian, Czech) , Indian, Pakistan, Arabic (Algeria), Chinese, Filipinos, Thais, Japanese.

I can sort out the rank of girl CHEAPNESS by country as follows :

1. Thai
2. Filipino
3. Indonesian
4. Hungarian
5. Czech
6. Japanase
7. American
8. Chinese (PRC)
9. Spanish
10. Dutch
11. Arabic
12. British
13. French
14. Indian
15.Pakistani

How do I parametrize the rank ? by going to the countries, going to the clubs, hunting and counting how many girls per night me and my friends can fuck. Also some information from expatriate, foreign student, foreign UN officer etc.

May be may list is not statistically accurate, but ask any CPK (Certified Penjahat Kelamin). They will agree with the rank.

The fact that so many Indonesian women are SO CHEAP is because they are so materialistic and not willing to work hard.

They just expect one day any bule will come to their life and bring them into western country. After that, they expect their bule man to support their family in Indonesia.

So try to test the level of Indonesian women CHEAPNESS yourself. Whether you are a bule, Arabic or African guy (doesn’t matter as long as you are foreigner). Try to hanging out in big cities in Indonesia (Jakarta, Bandung, Surabaya, Medan) for a couple of hours, wear an expensive clothes, watches and shoes then rent a fancy car with driver. (sometimes just being bule and poor will also do the job, remember they are so slutty they will approach anything with bule complexity).

See within few hours, you will have few Indonesian sluts approaching you. And no they are not typical bar whore with G-String like the one you see on New York streets.

Most likely you will be approached by either college educated or uneducated, either good looking Indonesian or babu looking Indonesian girls… all type of girls… EASILY!

try yourself!

Indonesian finest :

cheap girls.

ps: Some of you will try to justify this slutty behavior by pointing out that Indonesia is a poor country. FYI India and Pakistan are also poor country, why their women are not sell themselves out like in Indonesia ???

@Priscilla and Savitri,

You missed the whole point. Stereotyping is not (politically) correct (although sometimes it has statistical basis), but now (in this blog) we play a fun game called STEREOTYPING.

This is just a normal respond to generalization by few ladies here that Indonesian men are ugly and shallow (which to some point, I agree). Of course, you cannot just get away easily like that…

Stereotyping Indonesian men without expecting any reaction from Indonesian men is ridiculous… that’s why I am here to participate in this ‘fun’ game…

Your turn…

NEZ, doesn’t apply to me. I’ve been in the U.S. since I was five. I did go to school in Indonesia for a little bit but my home is always here. So no, I was born in Indonesia but I’m as American as anybody else.

Just FYI, I didn’t sleep with anybody until I was engaged and only had two guys in my lifetime. I’m picky with the shoes that I wear I’d be retarded to not be with the guys I sleep with.

I’ve never dated an Asian. They just don’t appeal to me. The men I’ve been with never cared whether I make more than they do or if they have to cook on some nights and clean. Actually I don’t have any Indonesian friends here. I do keep in touch with those I met in Indonesia but none here.

My parents think I’m too damn liberal and independent (my husband think so too) but hey, it’s just who I am. I worked hard to get what I have now and it defines who I am.

My sister married an Indonesian born guy but he’s been a citizen for a while too… before he met her. He moved when he was a boy too. My sister was born in the U.S.

Man, one of my comments is in moderation… oh well… weird… I wrote it before the one that’s posted above.

Anyhow, NEZ, I think you’re a bit sexist. My friend in Australia (my Indonesian high school friend), she makes over $150,000 AUS and a citizen on her own. She has a steady boyfriend (3-4 years I think) but just not interested in marriage. She’s 33 and she hates it when her family nags her about the M word.

Most of my Asian friends do have a white or Asian-Americans partner/husband but all these ladies are US citizens or at least a resident (they could have gotten their citizenship a long time ago but they’re too lazy to do the paperwork — their family migrated here when they were kids) before they got together. Most of my friends migrated from the Philippines, Vietnam, Laos, or Korea and they all have jobs in their careers.

Please let me know if you’d prefer that I moderate this post more aggressively and/or lock it down. I’ve seen a few comments in here that are not contributing to any sort of an intellectual conversation.

@Anti NEZ – your comment above referring to Indonesian women working abroad is unacceptable. Please refrain from that type of comment again.

@Priscilla, my real name is Bejo, there you go… what is your real name ??

And Priscilla please stop pretending that you are an American girl married to Indonesian men. I know that you are an Indonesian girl…

I am sorry if my post is disturbing anyone, but we play a game called stereotyping here.

Someone generalizing Indonesian men as ugly and shallow, I respond by stereotyping Indonesian women as materialistic and cheap. Fair enough isn’t it ?

cantik itu relatif, jelek itu absolut.

*sorry brandon, cant help it, just add oil in fire, hekekekekek*

I worked in the corporate world for 5 years and now in public (higher) education, 6 years. Pros and cons on both, and if pay is an issue, stick to the corp. I can make twice as much in corp. than edu. but I am much happier now. I get more gratification from my work and I do interact with more people too. Public edu is non-profit but not the type I want to do when I grow up. For that, I’ve only volunteered and it’s a different environment as a volunteer. I have friends who were/are in social/non-profit for a living and half loved it (and so now they’re elsewhere) and half loved it and they’re still there. It all depends on your wants and needs and most who quit are because of the pay in comparison to elsewhere for the same responsibility.

My undergrad is in psychology and mass communication and my grad is in technology and education. I’m kicking around a PhD in social psych but then an MD/health care sounds good too for my future non-profit venture. I guess I don’t need another degree to do it but I somehow feel I’d be more useful if I did — knowing how to work html, css, php and coldfusion isn’t going to help anybody there . I can teach though. So looking for a free way to get another degree… I haven’t paid for any of my higher education

I’m learning French too right now… in case I get to a French speaking African country… or any French speaking country for all it matters.

I donate $$ to animal protection but my non-profit venture will be for humans and education although again, if I did pursue another degree in health care I’d love to improve that aspect in 3rd world countries. Again, my family is still young and hubby has 10 more years to his current job. So I have a lot of years to think about this and prep.

J’aime beaucoup France. Je veux visiter la encore. Au revoir.

Wow!

What a long list!

Anyway,I would like to add too.

I think beauty is in the eye of the beholder,but many people still judge others by the cover of the book.Superficiality is everywhere.Its the norm,trend,convention,so to speak.Every society has their what is beautiful,accepted,ideal,respected etc and Asians,see white people and nearly everything from them as good,beautiful,the ideal etc.No suprise because most of the non-western world is developing to be modern and the developed modern nations are Western.

I’m from Malaysia,and every single time I go to a mall here,you will always see a white men+asian women couple.

of course this doesnt apply to all,but I think many of this couples came to be with race as among the main reasons or reason to get together.Meaning,they chose their partner with race as a main criteria.
In this,the girl will use her looks,charm etc to attract and get the guy,and for the guy,well,he “uses his race” to get her.How does he use his race? Well,he does it with the thought that his race will get what he wants and shows up wherever it is to get her.

I notice that many of the ladies with a white bf/husband tend to dress in a slutty-girly esque way.

What an interesting exchanges between Savitry and AntiNez. Who is right or wrong? Who cares. I am more interested in ANtinez’s list of countries where I can find cheap P%^*y Now I need to start save some money. Poor me

I am Dutch. Here in Netherland Indonesian women are well known for being bitchy, materialistic and cheap.

beauty, like many other similar concepts, is cultural context, embedded with values, the way we perceive it indirectly unravels how multidimensional social system and structure work in certain societies

Beauty is relevant. That’s darn cliche. However, for most Indonesian men, beautiful women are those with fair skin (such as Manadonese or Sundanese women), tall, straight hair, and “hidung mancung”. Whilst, for some (can’t really claimed majority of) western men, dark skin, small nose (including flat nose), and curly hair women are exotic and sexually more appealing than the other category. After all, doesn’t the first group a tad bit similar to the western women’s physical characteristics minus the blonde hair?
Rumput tetangga selalu lebih hijau dari rumput sendiri, right?
I personally believe in this theory. My case is the fact. I was born and grew up in Manado, but not a Manadonese. Growing up, particularly during my university years, I quietly accepted that no boys paid any attention to me (Halelujah, imagined if one of them did; I have ended up stuck in Manado with say, five or six children perhaps? LOL). To cheer up, I convinced myself that they just way too intimidated by my brain capacity
However, the moment I set foot in USA, I was indeed surprise by the whistles and hints the guys send to me. Get honks by male driver is an everyday routine. A man tried to grope me once when I jogged in a bright day light in a public place! I can’t sit alone at Starbuck reading my book without a man make an attempt for conversation.
I do admit that this realization that I have the ability to demand the male attention is quite beneficial when it comes to work. As a Registered Nurse (and proudly announced that I’m currently pursuing my nurse practitioner; in your face you Indonesian guys who paid no attention to me, hahahhhaaaa), majority of my male patients (young and old) are very nice and polite to me. And….brace for the most shocking news, the old ladies love my short nose. FYI, “Pesek” was the nickname the other kids at my elementary school unmercifully label me with as my nose shorter than theirs. Whoever said children are innocent creatures (LOL).
So…..for all the sawo matang, hidung pesek, rambut berombak, dan pendek girls alias nona/cewek rata2 (physically!) di Indonesia, don’t worry…..be happy, because in other parts of the world you are the beautiful ones.

PS: when I lived in Japan and the Philippines, I didn’t get much attention too, just like my Indonesia’s experience. Asian males prefer fair skin women.

Correction to my previous comment . . . Maaf . . . If I want to keep my dark skinned Indo friend, I better learn to spell Indonesian . . . hahaha. I try to write the best I can; but sometimes I have good luck and write better than I can . . .haha.

Hi Brandon, let me tell you about my own experience. I'm Indonesian woman and happened to be married with Australian. We been married for 10 years. My husband and I were friend for 2 years before we decided to bring our relationship into one step further. Both my parent are from Solo, Central Java and they both had this golden chocolate skin color.

The 1st one year of our marriage it's been very hard for me because all the comment that I had from the people surround us, the Indonesian people. Everytime we out for Dinner or a simply walking in the mall people always looking at my husband first and looking at me from top to toe – i was often getting upset because of this but I never tell my husband how upset I am.
Until one night my husband and I just coming back from a movie we decided to take a walk on the street for a while just to get a bit of exercise, nothing wrong with the way i dress that night, just a cotton blouse, a denim pant. After about 500 meters there's a bunch of man just outside circle K (the 24 hours shop) and one of them yelled and called me Pelacur or a prostitute in English word, my husband walk quickly toward that guy and without saying a word just show his left weeding finger and grab my left hand and show that man my weeding finger too, at the end He just said : “Dia Istri saya!!” and we walked away from them.
In another occasion people always called me with a a different nick name everytime my husband and I seen together.
Sad??..YES, HURT?? definitely…and very often i have to stop my husband from having an argument with other people who looked at me down.

Year two of our marriage We decided to have our Christmas in Australia, I was so worried with a number reason, here I am in my own country and i get treated so badly just because I'm a woman with a dark skin color and being married with a bule husband – and about to go outside the country, the country that full with Bule and different culture. My husband always said to me ” You will will be fine there! “.
He is right, NO ONE called me prostitute there, NO ONE looking at me with a strange look, NO ONE being rude to me…EVERYBODY are so nice and polite.

AND NOW, after 10years…I might have to thank to the people who once ever called me Prostitute, Pembantu, Hitam, Kampungan….because of them I become a woman who I am now.
NOW, I'm still a wife of a bule husband, a mother of 4 children and a Successful business woman.
The experience that I have who make me what I am now, the people who looked at me down become the people who motivated me the most.

Bernard, here in Indonesia the dutch also well known as arrogant, loud mouth, and cruel. In our history book showed.

Quang, I feel very sorry for you. I feel sorry for your comment, your attitude, your ignorant.
She must be a very smart lady, who can leave that damage in your live specially in your brain – and I bet that lady is Indonesian.

Sounds like Indonesia suffers from the same type of colonial mentality that the Philippines does. The perception that the lighter the skin, the straighter the nose, the better. Until the culture gets over that fallacy, they (like the Philippines) will remain backwards socially, economically, and politically.

can I look who you are

I think this guy is off base and lame. Man…. when I was in Indonesia I thought the women there were some of the most beautiful in the world. I look around my hometown in the US and I'm tired of the overweight, same faced white women and they do nothing for me. People need to judge their “own” on the same scale that we look at other nations. There's beautiful and ugly everywhere, but I just happen to think Indo is blessed with beauty.

my being a “westerner” Australian guy i love indo girls, there beautiful full lips and wonderful big dark eyes and amazing think dark hair… and the bronzy skin mmmmm so nice.. they may not be as tall as other girls but they make up for that with the way they talk to you, they make you fell a million $ and the why they look after you.. i never feel hungry or sick. money is no problem i can give her my bank card and she is more likely to save money or add money to my acct than spend it.. her family is so friendly and the people in her city are or friendly… she is from Bandung.
but i cant say the same for MOST girls from Jakarta… im not saying ALL girls but most altho they look great sexy and all that they can be very money oriented and very bitchy but i have meet one javanese girl that was nice…. lol but only one…

I'm an American man who married an Indonesian woman. I have to say, I thought I was alone with some of the differences between my wife and I. To me and many other men in the US, she is very beautiful. In public she has a sweet soft gentle personality. When it’s just her and I, things are much different. Controlling, penny wise and pound foolish, insists on controlling the finances and many other aspects in our relationship. I have to beg for 5 dollars before I go out to work in the morning. She herself won’t buy herself a pair of socks without calling me on the phone at work to ask my permission. On the other hand, Absolutely 100% trustworthy.

I was 36 when I married her. Before her, There was not one women I could trust with all domestic aspects like I can my wife. They were all cheating, money grubbing selfish gimmie gimmie I want I want. I would come in the house after splitting wood for 3 hours on a Saturday morning only to be complained to about forgetting to put my coffee cup in the dishwasher before I went out. My current wife would be insulted if I took care of my own dishes.

Anti NEZ for your records, I'm chinese-indonesian woman, was an overseas uni student, currently working in finance for government here and hell no, I didn't marry my husband for the sake of getting a job and living abroad. I met my husband here in Sydney when I was studying and we were dating for 4 years before we finally married for nearly 5 years now. And, he's my first and last BF-now husband. We love each other to death and I'm a very independent woman and hate to hear your sick comments. Please think carefully before you speak.

Well said, Aulia.

I also found that many of the women have herpes .. so I suggest they take herpules an all natural treatment tha stops herpes fast, Herpules 4 herpes !

I’ve been living in Germany for almost 10 years,,,,, I realized that western men who dating indonesian girls or Asian girls are mostly from low classes..mostly they are workers (Arbeiter), Jobless, or retired, and ugly…yes i say ugly from western perspective…..and it is not rare that the Asian girls who follow their German husband and stay in Germany are treated badly here,,,some was sent to prostitution, some got bullied from her husband and especially they are not welcomed well here in Germany…We (Asian people) in my opinion, consume a lot of western movies and cultures generally. Who said western men are romantic?, based on experience or movie??????. Those girls who treated badly will never revealed the true story because they are shame…..So therefore I encourage indonesian girls not to married western men, especially German men…and if it is fate to married them then please stay at your country….Thanks… this is my opinion while I am living in Germany…..maybe it is different in other west countries…I don’t know…..

this is very interesting article.. as an indonesian woman i appreciate with the way foreigner thinking about us. yes sure mostly indonesian guy think the fair skin best skin color woman. the more a girl has light skin the more they have attention from local guy. but i have different thought.. well i come from central Java, my genetic is have golden skin.. and im not trying hard to change it. mostly indonesian guy have shallow perspective about beauty..

now im dating foreigner, he is my first “bule” (foreigner) i ever date. in the beginning ,, when i walk with him i feel like everybody is looking at me especially people with low educated.. maybe they think i am “ayam” – another name of prostitute or paid girl friend. but i took time until i got my confidence. i think i wont care what people think about me, im not “ayam” my boyfriend know me so well, also my friends, my family..

I have been dating a lady from jakarta for 6 months. we have once in jakarta for 2 weeks in november. had the best time ever. i couldnt believe how beautiful she was, but so shy and innocent. She is 15 years younger than me. In my country hardly see such age difference. zthe process i went through to be accepted by immediate and extended family was so strang to me, but now all family has accepted me into the family. April 2012 we will marry, but i have 2 visits there to come and for her to holiday here in australia. Would not have missed this experiance for nothing. Now i have a loyal and loving fiancee. All i saw to other men pic cafefully but when u have a good one man its so special. Ive had 5 serious relationships before this one but no one has loved me like this girl.

I didn’t see any other folks like me post this, so I guess I may as well put my two cents in…

I’m the eldest daughter of an American man (or a bule as you call it) and a Javanese woman. My sister and I have always been proud of our dual culture, and thought that it was something to pride ourselves on; we felt confident with our naturally tanned skin and our big, brown eyes. After a while, my parents separated and my father eventually remarried a Sumatran woman. Soon afterwards, we moved to the states. I remember my father being out every morning to go through the arduous process of getting my stepmom’s visa and greencard, and I could only imagine how much he really loved her. I thought that we had a pretty good family dynamic going on. Then my sister and I began taking dance classes at the Indonesian embassy. After our first performance, we were pulled out because of the way the full Indonesians spoke of my father and stepmother, as well as my sister and I. This wasn’t explained to me until years afterward, when I was entering high school. I was just beginning to learn all the prejudice that came along with my parent’s and their love. The admonishment wasn’t from just the Indonesian side, though. Since my dad’s first marriage with an Indonesian woman failed, his family was sure that it’d happen again with my stepmother. They treated her poorly, as if she had done something wrong by simply being of the same ethnicity with my birth-mother. It was shocking and upsetting for me to realize all of the struggles my parents went through simply to love each other. I began to feel ashamed of both sides of my family for being so narrow-minded and rather racist. I began to feel insecure about returning to Java with my darker skin and short, curvy figure, on the fear of being called a “maid.” I wonder if returning home to a country of restrictions and racial prejudice is what I really want, even if it is my home…

I just felt that the children of these couples needed a voice. I just seem to be the only one that bothered to comment.

hi i’m indonesian female 20 years old. Im looking for a foreigner man. add my facebook : “bernedetta vitomirov” or my email facebook : “bernedettavitomirov@yahoo.com” xoxoxo

Contunuing story of Siti Rodiah and Family

Then in all my visit I started noticing purchases of jewelry and other items I did not buy…She would tell her friends bought them for her…I said what friends and she said her girl friends…Hmmm I thought to myself. I knew it was another lie of many because girls dont buy expensive jewelry and items for another girl..only men do….well then I started investigating the web and from that my tech people were able to get a hold of all her correspondence and emails…Quite interesting..the details of these converstations on skype, yahoo, emails, facebook, my space etc…These details will be released later.

My experience exactly. The woman I met Siti Rodiah of Pamulang now of BSD told me she loved me after 10 days….That is quick because love does not develop that fast…Well I fell for that and 5 years later I find out she has a line up of men in que she keeps in the back ground just in case she needs one. There is no such thing of fidelity in this woman or any woman. Too bad everywhere i go now in Indonesia, I always see a Siti Rodiah hanging around to pick up another Bule or American style Bull for her personal enjoyment and Financial support.

After I dumped her because I got tired of her infidelities, lies and stealing she takes up with another bule or bull only 2 weeks afterwards. Then tells me she loves him…Quite interesting isn’t it.. He will learn just lke I did. Too bad her lovable son has a mother like that.

Siti’s married sister with Turkish boyfriend

Hey Eklessia
read your blog 10 months ago for the first time…Wow very educational…Yes a western man is open minded. So keep looking….They do have some beliefts like all cultures but mostly very accepting. You are ok. But be aware that men are men anywhere. Just like the women..I have worked in 58 countries and speak 8 languages and you will find good ones and bad ones. Just as the westerner need to be careful with the women in other countries so do the ladies as well… Your cool and sensitive a wonderful characteristic.

Forgot to add in my last post….If they press for marriage within a year or two of dating her……RUN!!!!!!!!!!!Americans have long dating periods before they decide to marry…The men and women make sure they know their mates…..In a Muslim country…marriage and family status is everything…It is not surprising to find Indonesian muslim ladies wanting to marry in a very short dating period.

forgot to add dykulture9 siti rodiah got pregnant also to another guy. First one I dont know if mine or not the second was not mine but she aborted it. Sorry to hear about your situation…She always acted like a good muslim too..but I knew she, deep inside, was not…It was all show…

I live in singapore and an expat as well… I sure enjoy reading this site and the information everyone has shared. I hope you appreciate this as I do to guide me if I should ever have a relationship with a lady over here. I have seen this woman referred to in so many of the blogs and talked to her in the nite clubs here. I am surprised…Also found this on both an Indonesian site and singapore site. Thank you Thomas Martin for the geat advice.

1) Your Indonesian girlfriend protects her phone. My ex (which I found out was cheating) was behaving very strangely with her phone: First, the screen was locked with a password. It meant that if she wanted to call someone, she had to type a password first… a real pain in the ass don’t you think? Then, wherever she would go, she would always, always take her phone with her. The other clue is she keeps constantly checking it or the emails. Such behaviour is a clear indicator that your Indonesian girl is hiding something.
2) She lies sometimes but not always to you. The reason for that is simple: It’s hard to be deceptive, and when someone’s life is a lie and you will easily see you cannot always find good excuses for everything. She cannot keep track of all the lies she is saying because it is not possible for a normal human being. Normal girls don’t lie because they don’t have to and if you indo girlfriend is lying to you; it means that she is not behaving normally.
3) Another sign that can help you see if the girl you are dating is having multiple boyfriends: She refuses to talk to you about problems that make her mad/sad/depressed. Usually, she will say she has “problems with the family”, but don’t take her word too seriously: Chances are she is angry because one of the expats stopped sending her money, or because she fought with her Indonesian guy.
4) Also, she is extremely focused on money always claiming she does not have enough. She will always ask u money for the family or something. You will feel sad for her and of course u will hand it over because you are in love. She will tell you that she has nothing in her bank account to pay the bills. Then u make the most stupid move of all. You send her extra money to have for emergencies. When you ask them the balance in the account they will refuse to talk about it or act very guarded. Then she gives you an amount. You quickly add it up in your mind, the money you sent her, and the balance is either more but most likely less. Then she will tell you she had extra expenses. The truth is she has been out partying with your friends or boyfriend or spent it on herself. She quickly wants to buy a house so she does not have to worry about making the rent or moving all the time. Once they get the house and all the furnishings it is bye bye time. The reality is she has not forgotten how she made her living as a professional girlfriend before Mr. Sucker came into her life.
5) She will make you believe she is attracted to you physically and that she enjoys having sex. You may also see that she uses sex to get things from you or to make you forgive her. This is never a very good sign of a healthy relationship…

6) You feel in your gut that something is wrong. This is the most important sign of all. You feel that your Indonesian girl is not being faithful, for tons of reasons that adds up. You may be in love and you are doing everything you can to believe her lies, but it actually makes you feel down to think you can be that stupid. There are no reasons to feel ashamed because you love someone, even a bargirl/prostitute, but at one point, you need to protect yourself from your girlfriend because miracles don’t happen: Trust your instinct, and make a courageous decision get rid of her.

Jason026
Exactly the guidelines i used to judge Site Rodiah to see how faithful she was and how sincere she was..Every line items she fulfilled without a doubt…I dont know the singapore site this is on but it is well documented on an Indo site. A teacher from Germamy wrote this and it is well done.

The lies of Siti Rodiah
1. at first when dating….called her and heard music in the background with other voices…I asked her where are you…she said at home….who is playing the piano….she said my brother edy…Oh ….then found out edy does not have a piano…he plays a guitar.
2. called her again shortly after we began dating……I hear an echo in the backgound when she talks….I ask why is there an echo….she answers I am in the bathroom at my house bcoz there are many people out front talking…Then when I visit her there is not even a door on the bathroom in her house.
3. called her serveral time and heard the same echo…..Then when I visited her in september I stayed at the Le Meridien hotel. Well just so happens when in the lounge I used the bathroom downstairs…Guess what ….an echo just like I heard when she talked to me before,.
4. So I asked her have you been back seeing other guys again after we began seeing each other…She acts surprised…..waits for 30 seconds before she answers…..then she says no! The tone of the denial and hesitation to respond pretty much told me that she was….If she was not lying why did she hesitate and say it in a nervous voice.
5. In several visits I saw her checking her emails frequently…I ask why are u checking your emails…she said they are just friends….Oh I said let me see….she said no
6. When working in Africa, she calls me and wants to know if she can make a one day trip to singapore to see her sister who is there with her husband. I tell her no, that I dont want to spend the money…When I returned from Africa I ask her sister how was singapore a few weeks back.. She said I was not there…Funny how her passport showed she came in and left the same day.
7. Another trip to singapore that I noticed when checking her passport. This time I did not know about that trip
8. In another trip I saw her again checking her emails on the phone…Also receiving many calls where she would go into the other room to talk silently…Then on a few occasions she would go to her directory and make changes….Strange eh? then she would look around to see if I saw her
9. Told me she was pregnant. Was really happy…Then shortly after I began to firmly suspect her running around on me. Then I began to question myself if it was really mine.. Then she looses it. She says she fell in bathroom and had miscarriage.. ok sounds reasonable but is it mine…Dont really know.
10. Tells me she is pregnant for 2nd time…What she did not know I was tracking her conception cycle. So when she told me I quickly recalculated the conception time period and what do u know….I was in Africa during that time period.
11. She looses her $700 Blackbery..Angry about this I told her to buy a cheap phone. When she visited me she has another Blackberyy. I said who owns the Blackberry.. “She says my sister’s daughter…I look at her sister and the look on her face show astonishement…I said to Site you are a damn liar..Then she says I thought I told you I bought another Blackberry
12.. Many occasions I see her wearing expensive jewelry I did not buy…I asked her where did u get that. She says friends….I saaid to her what friends. she says girl friends…Funny girl friends dont buy expensive watches and jewelry for another girls only girls do. She walks away saying nothing
13. Oh I am flying to Singapore this weekend with my sister, grandmother. We are staying at my aunts. Oh I said who is paying for that.. She says my aunt.. Oh so why is your grandmother going.. she says she want checkup by doctor.. Oh welll she can get that in Jakarta, after all the woman is in her 70′s. Then she stumbles to answer and then quickly says I dont know why she just wants to go…Then I said well how much do i need to pay your aunt for your trip…She stumbles again and says hurridly You want to pay for that? Why to you object Isaid. Coz it would not be right for you to pay for it.

So this time, while I was staying in my Australia home to make some repairs I flew to jakarta…went to her sister’s house and found her sister was at the market buying food…Oh I thought she went to Singapore I ask the maid… She said no only Siti went to Singapore…Oh for what…She said to visit you I thought but really dont know…

What she did not know either that I hired a detective to track her…Got pics of her meeting the boyfriend at the airport, going into the hotel for 10 days and going to the Universal resort casinos with him…Got even pics of them at dinner and breakfast… Caught the Ayam this time.

@ Thomasmartin2004 i can see y u’re being so emotional. well, i have to admit that i have one or two friends that r chasing foreigners, not only ‘bule’ but also ‘arabs’. but i think u’re making such a generalization over indonesian muslim woman.

I’m also indonesian muslim woman, but I can tell u I’m not like that, and so are million others. If she’d been treating u mean she’s not a good muslim,then. besides, there r only two kind of people in this world: good and bad *rephrasing ‘My Name Is Khan’ :p – whether u’re christian, muslim, hindu, atheis, whatever.

Soyadi Adul..
just saw your post on Siti Rodiah…You know mate I never thought of her like you did in your analogy..but your right!!!!! If she needed $500 a month to live on like your girl friend did then over 8 years she would have had to slept with 800 men assuming a different man each nite. Even if she even need only half that amount to live on then that would mean 400 men over 8 years…My god Site Rodiah now it is clear why u need more than one man all the time..

Thomas Martin’s story about Indonesian women is only one half of the story, be interesting to hear her side of the story. In the meantime be smart idea to remove pictures and real name as this is getting into heavy duty legal stuff let alone some local revenge.

Well for all you out there in BSD, Pamulang and Jakarta Indonesia the circulars are now printed and will be ready for distribution soon in the above communities showing all the nasty women in indonesia that fleece the generous bules for their own personal pleasure….if u see the one below make forget her for sure. She is very popular in these communities.

Well hello Oneng
Thanks for your comments…Sounds highly convincing perhaps we finally perhaps have the boyfriend mixjng in. Been wondering where u been…Some of your comment lines resemble the exact phrases of Siti Rodiah’s words in her private emails to me… So now we may have the Leech Pelecur boyfriend defending his whore(s). Great!!! Love it.

A Pelecur and her family are not defenseless. They all act like that. Sweet, innocent and helpless. Believe me I have lived in too many muslim countries to know that. If they seek their revenge, good, I’ve been expecting them too. Makes it more interesting. Typical of Muslims; especially Asian Muslims. Would love it…

So tell me..What ever happened to Eddy and Iwan? They finally go to work? Iwan if you have a job, congrats. After all, I supported you, your wife and son for 5 years, along with the rest of your family. Finally, it is about time.

I know Site would never go to work in an honest job. She likes it too much on her back. God knows I gave her money to begin a business,and all she complained about was she had to work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week. Then I tried to send her to school to get an education but then she consistantly complained it was too long, 4 years? I sent her to language school to improve your english which at the time was very good anyway.. But, she wanted to go..At the end of the day, her language never improved so she probably spent the money coming to see you in Singapore.. Oh yes I know all about her trips. I have copies of her old passport and new one as well.

Yea!!! I have heard these defenseless story before from other expats that got used and fleeced like me…all told me their whores said the samething. So common story common line.. They all and their families act like victims. Yea we bulls are fools that is for sure.. But fool no more. Looks like you just have not learned yet. That is because you dont know she is fleecing you right now in exchange for her sex. Courtesans they are called in the West.

Sounds like you are blindly in love with her like I was. Poor man. Feel for you. You will face your waterloo with her like so many others including me…Like most, I am not afraid to admit my life mistakes..But that is one act I will not get drawn into again.

Oh by the way you enjoying my home I paid for two years advance rent. Like my car..and the money.. Well what we possibly have here is a classic case of a Bull Leech. So perhaps what we have here is now the Bull Leech defending the whore leech and family leeches. Well the rent is due again in August for two more years… then it is your expensive….Good! About time you began paying for something around there and stop living on my dime. Oh, by the way, if this is the bull leech, thanks for paying for the trip in November to have her come see you in Singapore..That was the final confirmation I needed to conclude my long term private investigation of her unfaithfulness and numerous lies. Very difficult to determine what is going home when one works mostly in other countries like me. You certainly spent enough of my money when I was paying for those earlier trips unknowningly.

A fool or an idiot maybe I was for loving this woman but no more.. U said u learned your expensive lesson well so have u?. If you are the boy friend, so why are u still there?

Take the test. Take away the money and the freebies. Refuse to marry her quickly like I did. Delayed our marriage because the business was terrible at that time plus my friends here were telling me all their whore stories. So I waited to know her better. So I gave her the test. she failed. So do it. See how see acts…when i told her I was cutting her off after her after I llearned of the pending Singapore trip she immediately said good bye for ever. No money, no Honey.

Or ff this is one of her Pelecur friends, then what would one expect. A Pelecur defending a Pelecur. If this is another family leech, I did not know at the time, then find a job and earn your living for a change.

Oh you are up late tonight. Usually Siti likes to go to bed early to get her orgasms…lets see you said the “Prick” for about an hour before she goes to bed. Or Is your Prick up ,now that you are finally going to bed with her? Or was your Prick and Orgasm up earlier before you wrote your lines.

Siti Rodiah
Do u enjoy your picture of counting your money u earned in Turkey while I worked my 13 hour each day while u and your sister played with the boy friends. Oh yea the closeup reveals about 400USD Equivalent, Yes this was left on my camera that u forgot to remove. U remember u tried to steal it before I caught you at the airport and asked u nicely to give my camera back to me. Then U said no I gave it to you. Oh yes another attempt by you to steal something from me. You up to your old style again with the boys?

I saw you few weeks ago sitting on the bench. Funny, fhen I first met u, 6 years ago, u used to dress very nice, dresses and such. Hmmm 32 years old with an 9 year old son and were dressed in a short skirt that barely covered your rear end. When u sat down u were proudly displayed the most productive part of yourself showing thru you the pretty underwear you were wearing for all the passerbys to see.

Perhaps u are dressing more like what u really are these days…

Felt a embarassed for you actually and ashamed I allowed myself to associate with a woman like you. A 32 year old woman with a young 9 year old son still dressing like a young teenager or young twenty year old hooker. Or is that the way your Bulls likes to see you these days.

@Thomasmartin2004: you are such a desperate man, sending me email to my personal address and insulted me cause Im an Indonesian woman getting married with an American man. It’s YOU who have a problem here!!! Just so you know, Im a quite good looking Indonesian woman and I could just date any guy I want, but Im DO NOT HAVE any superficial thought like you. Im sorry to hear about your love life. It seems like you are a broken-hearted desperate man because you always had the wrong women in your life. Dont take out your pain to us!!. I had dated with some rich handsome white men before and also some handsome handsome men and I never asked any cent from my exes if I want to buy something. I work and Im proud of being what I am, I have pride and it’s something that most people don’t have theese days!!!. Not all women are into MONEY!!! My husband is a mailman, a carrier for USPS!!! and I never see him less than a man for what he does. I love and trust my husband no matter what my family, my friends or even the whole world say about us. SO GET A LIFE instead of talking about shits and hatred here!!!

When you ask me to marry you, I would say :

YES… I will be your best friend for life, I will be the one who makes you fried rice and does the laundry, I will be the one who shares your fun, your sadness, I will be the one who listens when you have a bad day, I will be the one who holds you when you are sad, I will be the one who dances every slow song with you, I will be the one who is waiting at home with the lights on for you to come home from work so that my day brightens, I will be the one who walks hand in hand with you, I will be the one who accidentally washes a black sock with your blue work shirts so they all turn grey!, I will be the one who remembers your birthday at August 13, I will be the one who knows how to piss you off in 2 seconds flat, I will be the one who goes Christmas shopping with you and buys gifts for your family, I will be the one who holds you down and tickles you till you cannot stand it anymore and then make sweet love to you-till you cannot stand it anymore, I will be the one that gets b**chy and you’ll have to put up with me, I will be the one who loves every ridiculous little thing about you, I will be the one who will be able to finish your sentences for you, I will be the one who waits for you when you come home from playing pool or dominos and I am gonna wait for you in the nude, I will be the one that you remember how much I don’t like pork so you will need to brush your teeth before kissing me, I will be the one to accompany you on long car trips and bore you with my silly jokes, I will be the one who gets jealous If I catch you looking at another girl and I will be the one who makes you sleep on the couch if I find a lipstick mark on your shirt!!! , I will be the one who remembers all of your stories from growing up and be interested every time you retell them, I will be the one who finds you fascinating, I will be the one you take to Disney world to beat up Donald duck and I’ll be the one that wishes you best luck when you gamble in Vegas on our honeymoon, I will be the one that you will make the best chicken with mushroom sauce for, I will be the mother of your CHILDREN, however many you would want to have, I will be the one who makes their Halloween costumes, I will be the one who gives you a look every time you say a bad word in front of the kids, And I will be the one who takes ordinary words and turn them into bad words cause they annoy me!, I will be the one who begs you to spoil our kids, I’m sure you know!, I will be the one to love them so that they never have to feel insecure, I will be the one to get up in the middle of the night with the baby-half the time!, I will be at your son’s every soccer, hockey, football game, I will be at your daughter’s every soccer and hockey game, every dance rectal and cheer leading performance, I will be the one who holds your kids when they cry , I will be the one who bandages every banged knee, I will be the one to leave out some of the details of when we met while the kids are young , I will be the one who sings them the lullaby and puts them to sleep, I will be the one who takes the pain of giving birth of your children and cusses you a lot for making me pregnant, I will be the one who smiles cause she is nervous when your babies get their own shots, I will be the one who cries when their birthdays come because they grow up too fast, I will be the one who dresses them oddly at times cause I have NO fashion sense, I will be the one who keeps your bed warm for you when you are about to sleep, I will be the one who will tease and entice you all day long- but you won’t regret it come night, I will be the one who wants to make love to you every single night, but who may need your understanding when the kids have given me a hard day and just want to be held, I will be the one who cannot keep her hands off you, I will be the one who smiles back at you on your wedding day, I will be the one who promises to love and honor you until death tear us apart, I will be the one who cries when you pledge yourself to me, I will be the one who wears your ring for as long as I live, I will be your wife, and I will be forever your best friend for life. I love you baby!!!

Lunna1979
Thank you for accepting my apology.

Response to Mark
thanks for the tip the PLAZA. Maybe I will go there. If u say they are nice there maybe that is the difference. The nice ones true of heart. I had read on several sites that the good ones are found there. So maybe u are right. But stay out of the nite clubs that is for sure. Your SITI RODIAH is surely waiting for u there

Siti Rodiah
Some friends the other day stop me to say that they say the ex love.  They thought she looks a little expecting.  But I would not know, I have not seen her for a month…dont want to actually.  She is a memory that I just want to forget forever.  If she is, I would not be surprised.  From my experience, she never met a man she could resist; especially if they were rich… She has had a litany of men in her as a professional girl friend.  Who wants a woman that constantly lies, has multiple affairs and then steals from you.   

Ashig_ae
Sorry to hear about your experience with Indonesian women…My experience the same.   Was her name Siti Rodiah?  Well if it was, I would not be surprised.  She is was my Indo experience.   Yea she graved sex all the time day and night..A real Nymphomaniac  .Then got pregnant twice…one I dont know if mine or not.  The second for sure was not mine.  Now I hear from my friends that she is pregnant again.. Well I wonder to who that man is or was.   Most likely she does not even know.  Even her little child who is the greatest little person does not even know who the father is…Of course when I approach her about all of this,  all I heard was how much she loved me..Oh yeah!! They use that line like a little child who cant get enuf of candy.  Love means nothing to women like Siti Rodiah.

They use sex to get money and men coz most are uneducated and poor and these are the ones that are too damn lazy to go to work…So they use their sex to attract men and trap them in taking care of them..

Sounds like u ran into Siti Rodiah or one of her many protoge’s.  There are many of them just like her.   Yes you are right. Dont pay them anymore money.  Just leave…I finally had to throw my Siti Rodiah out.  See her picture scattered througout this blog in many other Post talking about her.

my husband of 30 years has recently left me for a very unattractive Indonesian woman, we are currently living in Australia. I have never met such a calculated devious woman, she befriended our whole family and then moved in on my husband, is this common behaviour of indonesian women. somebody at work said he had been charmed, whatever that is 

Karma
Yes Karma, my sources are telling me she is out of town with her other boyfriend.    Siti is dating a brittish pilot with Brittish air and a married american who I just learned of this weekend.  We will be notifying his wife of his doings. 

Oh by the way the brittish pilot who she thinks is single is married as well.  Well Siti Rodiah u got two men just like yourself…Adulterers just like u… I will be sure to let the communities u live in to know this…Oh yes I know where u are.  

Follow up to avoiding Siti Rodiah and sister Siti Komodo
Forgot to add.
These women do not work. They like their trade and prefer to earn their money on their backs
A good Indonesian woman will be a university graduate and well educated
Or most likely married and not divorced or separated from their spouses
The good ones will have good jobs and respect life’s values as christians or muslims.
They won’t have sex with u nor ask u for money as they are self reliant and make their own way in the world

If they don’t match the above criteria then u have met Siti Rodiah or her sister Siti Komo or someone just like them. STAY AWAY or U will Be drained financially and emotionally when they are done with u.

Ok soprano good suggestion… i will do a calendar with the pictures of the two Pelecur.  Good advice…You are right just F them and leave them for what these girls are in the bars…The good ones are the ones you want for life. they are the responsible ones.  I have told u all out there what the good ones are like.  Use the criteria below to search them out.  Other than that if they are in the bar they are there most likely for a reason…..looking for money and sex.  Some of them are good ones so use the criteria below to find which one are the good ones and which ones are the bad ones.

Now this is what I call a strange blog. Amazing pictures though.

what i can say.. one thing only, never buy love, true love its something that bring life to happiness and real sense of life, just love some one becoz of his or her heart , forget all the past , open heart for new life, life is great and beautiful

oh.gosh. thanks for bringing that topic. Unfortunately, the image of Indo girls dating/ marrying Bule (white people) are very downgrading. The reason is because most girls attracted to Bule are look alike a maid. However, I personally think this is just a cultural perception/ preference. What majority thinks of what is acceptable is those that will fit in a society. After all, how does a maid look like? How can you define the standard look of a maid? and beauty is relative right?

I personally think the reason bule attracted to the true local girls is that the girls have a very exotic olive tan skin. Bule love olive dark tan skin because the skin is glowing under sun. and.. If you go to the states, people there are obsessed to get tan. 

Ironically, public in Indonesia think that pretty girls must have bright skin, thin lips, and smooth hair…

Well the infamous and unfaithful Siti Rodaih, also spelled Rodiyah in her passport) has  been out of my life for quite some time after i threw her out for unfaithfulness for multi men affairs and getting pregnant to two men while whe were together.   In that time, i have managed to save 40,000 USD per year and when i look at her picture and look at my bank account, I must say i like the bank account much better. Yeah that woman from Pamulang and BSD, her two lazy brothers, and mother dont have me anymore to steal from.  Some other poor western dude, like Martyn Grange of England was her next Victim after i tossed her out.  He learned to0 after she took 17,000 USD from him.   Well u dumbass bule if u want this for your life go for it.    But i sure like my 40,000 a year i am savin without her and her lazy extended family. 

indonesian women many man white man married now and kids mixture ( indonesian eruasian ) very beautiful

lalalalaaaa… i love my surfer boy.. he’s not rich..
but i love him.. i’m an indo girl,pretty (what my mom said,thooough..lol), got scholarship in europe.. but i don’t cheat and being gold digger..
don’t go to the bars to meet girl.. find in ur surfer community..!!
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Indonesia throughout history always become the melting pot of world’s cultures introduced to them. But not every culture is being accepted by the majority. This is not always about other cultures vs moslem. In the ancient time, it was Moslem vs Shiva-Hindu culture. So it’s a dynamic place in terms of cultures transformation. but there is a pattern in its lifetime, that religious values are consistently being accepted.
Secular culture surely has its influence, since the arrival of the Europeans, but it’s not 100% being adopted (Read Denys Lombard book), after all it was the 1st globalization. With globalization now, sure it’s influence the way Indonesian date or say love, or how to complicate the game. But still, some values are just cannot be accepted by the majority religious society eg. living together.
Although, people also have to be aware, that people everywhere are the same when comes to practicing religions where a lot of them are also being secretive about their ‘love sin’, sexuality, etc.

Indeed you can’t generalize Indonesian women but I believe you still can find whoever fits you within its layers of societies.
Here are the oversimplified categories:
- 30%: Women with strict religion practice (Moslem, Christian, etc) you still can find a lot of them from the churches and mosques. The very strict ones are mostly as spiritual as their counterparts all over the world. I mean, they share the same faith and really do it wholeheartedly. No difference with any faithful ones in America or in Arabian Peninsula.
- 69%: Women practicing religion but they live and embrace secular lifestyle and more open for others, it’s like lukewarm religious people and you know that any luke-warmers can switch to strict ones, usually when they have their atonement moment. You will not expect them to be strict in terms of sexuality but they are mostly educated and can choose which one is appropriate or not (eg. they may go to bar just for socializing with friends, they may wanna go to discotheque/dugem and got drunk but they are aware that ‘it is not good in the view of their indonesian prospectus husband’ so their limit themselves or just completely stop doing it when they get older). Remember that although foreigners are usually considered as admirable, most Indonesian women still prefer Indonesian men because wider society still accept such commonness and society put a distance with foreigners for whatever reasons, sometimes as simple as jealousy or local superiority. Remember, that Indonesian are society oriented so most women will consider what society says, meaning she just don’t want to risk/trouble herself.  
Anyways, most of this type likes to just socialize/hang out at resto/cafes, I think this would be the majority type of women in big cities like Jakarta, Surabaya. Makan-makan or having a big lunch/dinner/coffee with friends are just the typical and most common way to blend with Indonesian women (and men).
- less than 1%: Women who are atheist and secular, somehow I think this type of women are very rare.
- less than 0.05%: other type of women who are also the same in many part of the world, you know who they are.

As you can see, religion still play a big part in defining society values, although being practiced differently. That means that Indonesian women mostly still hold religion values, which are in general (for many religions): family oriented, obey the leader of the house (the husband) which applied in Moslem and Christianity. Of course kindness, caring are just part of religious values being taught as well. If someone says here that he rarely find it in their countries, you may ask yourself whether your society still embrace religion values.

All in all, I think there is no definite ‘Indonesian women’ characteristic, but we know that Indonesian women are largely still being influenced by religion values. And so it is actually a reflection of religious values itself.

Cheers,

Oh lunna, lunna, lunna
In response to the peace of your islam comment….
Yes we christians in the west see the peace of islam in the middle east and your country of Indonesia…Hmm funny how u live, a muslim, in the USA and enjoy the peace of christianity.. There is no physcial threats against you or violence…Oh yes some unkind comments in the media…..You wont see christians when islam attacks and kills westerners and christians, as they have recently…73 christians in Egypt, 4 christians(USA citizens) in Libya) killing muslims. or attaching their embasy.. U see in the USA we have free speech..the right of free speech allows anyone to say anything without reprisal. Islam does not like that..Your own country does not tolerate that.. .Better u be christian to experience real peace…

Hello Brandon, I am Indonesian woman married to an American… Until today I do hear about that conversation, but I keep it cool… My life and my husband is not on their hands, those who said that to the mix couples are those who let themselves being drowned by their own narrow minded thoughts… We respect people because of their personalities and the most, how they threat other people with respect sincerely… I am sure, in the world like this, we must listen more to they who love us unconditionally…

Indonesian women has bad record in Hong Kong. Being a Muslim they are not allowed to do sex but they have four or five boy friends . Are all Indonesians are like them. Mover they blame their parents and husband who sent them for a domestic helper jobs. I just want to know whether these women represent the entire culture of sweet Indonesia ?

i agree that many indonesian woman who married western guy are ugly that because the beuatiful one either taken or not as desperate as the ugly ones. all south asian lady have the same type of face…anyway, because Indonesia is predominatly muslim and muslim parents can’t tolerate having an infidel son in law so,,having ‘bule’ partner is not so popular in Indonesia except maybe in few big cities like jakarta, surabaya, bandung, medan and manado. and this situation is bit different in other SEA acountries like vietnam, philiphine, thailand where the beuatiful teens are eager to marry a western man to immigrate and to improve their life..marrying a white man is like a life objective from them since teen…

can I look who you are

yeah but if it the real deal, it wont work . that’s it in a nutshell. so let it be. how many same race relationships don’t work ?. welcome to a brave new world

seems so sad to read all this – nice to find an honest Indonesian woman – but not easy… my indo wife just turned up one day telling me she was pregnant to a Muslim neighbor she had been seeing soon after we got married…
also giving her indo boyfriend money and my hand phone even – then told me she had been food poisoning me – to try to get me out the house so she could live with her Indo Muslim boyfriend,,, but all the time taking money and keeping her eyes on me – not letting me go anywhere…

so why all the deception – why not just go with her indo boyfriend full-time – here is the problem Indo girls i have found all too busy lining up polyandri type relationships to support their parents with money and support themselves with multiple sex relationships whether married or not…

so morality in Indonesia and religion – should have a debate “is Indonesia a Muslim Country…?”
NON0MUSLIM – corruption
NONMUSLIM – adultery and polyandry/polygamy
the list goes on – so stop calling Indonesia any kind of Religions Country cos it is severely lacking in Religions morality by all accounts it seems from 10 years of observation and research…

same with me and my fellow expat friends. I don’t want to generalize but I think Indo girls are the most dishonest, materialistic and unfaithful woman I’ve ever seen in my life..

Hi Just found your blog here. Hahhahahhahhahahha… sounds funny. Nightmare and tra la la… Maybe some men met some wrong women…
Real Indo girls wouldn’t ask money or things… I am a woman too, I am not rich. I live in my simplicity Life. I dont need to ask money from everyone. I need a hand to make things happen and make myself, my friends, my family, my life mate to live better.
Sometimes for bule’s needs to aware this. Do not treat girls like a princess. Teach them not to live in material worth. It is compromise life.
For any Indo women, who admit themselves as women not acting like girls. don’t put yourself as a princess and wanted to love like a barbie doll. Don’t you ever think tht oneday we, as women has to stand in our man’s side.. the real family future we have?.. Not all the time life is good.
If you do understand all kind of relationship can be strong by our perception of vision and mission and deal with tht. Money is money. Money can buy love. But it is temporary. Any relationship can be break because both sides mistakes. Even 1 side is doing dominant mistake. All type of life it is mutual relationship. Life is about take and give, To give and to forget.
Really, don’t fake yourself for both men and women. Start thingking to be different. As like planting chillies in our small garden. Chillies is expensive now man !!!
Open your brain, open your heart. Move your ass. If you have a nice life with your bule’s richness.. Use it to start making a small bussiness… Learn many things !!! Sewing course, cooking blah blah etc… It is more counts for your own future.
Cheers !!!!

I am a Javanese woman, met my English husband in 1978 when I was studying art in Bali. When we met, he was 25 years old and I was 18.
I didn’t speak a word of English then and he didn’t speak Indonesian. I have never been talking to any Bule and I was not looking for boyfriend then and he wasn’t looking for girlfriend either, but fate speak differently.
I was playing with my Balinese friends (age between ten to 13 years) at Kuta beach just before sunset, and he was sitting down drinking bottled beer. Our eyes met, we smiled at each other politely and that was all. The next day I saw him sitting down at the same place on the beach and I carry on playing with my friends. Later on that afternoon, one of my Balinese friend who sold him beer insisted that I should talk to him. Since I don’t speak English, that afternoon we use my sketch pad as a way of communication. A week later he had to leave Bali because his holiday was over and I had lovely evening at Denpasar cinema with him to remember. I bought myself a secondhand Indonesian-English dictionary with the little pocket money and with that we managed to write to each other. Three month later he visit me in Bali and again at every opportunity he had. By 1980 he spent all his saving to travel to Indonesia to visit me and he was completely broke. So we decided that it will be much cheaper if get married and I moved to England, a very smart move so we thought. What we never consider was, me being a vegetarian was not a very smart move to move to UK as those days vegetarians weren’t well catered for. To cut the story short, when after a year lived in the UK my weight dropped to less than 5 stone, my husband decided that England is not the best place for me to live and he took me back to Indonesia( Surabaya). My family own very large army clothing factory long before I was born which help me to keep busy whilst my husband away.
Unfortunately few greedy policemen keep wanting large sum of money from my husband everytime he visit me. I got fed up with them and decided that I’d rather be starve in the UK than giving my husband’s hard earned money to corrupt Indonesian policemen. My husband is not wealthy but he is gorgeous looking being and I love him very dearly.
33 years together and 33 years no regret. We don’t have children out of choice because we love our freedom. None of my family ever bother us with money problem and when we are in Indonesia, they spoil us rotten. I talk WITH my husband whenever I have problem and vice versa, so there is no need for me to cheat on him.
I am loyal to my husband, artistic yes but not materialistic. And as for being dishonest…….I believe in KARMA.